Fedora 28 - python warnings

Gary E. Miller gem at rellim.com
Sat May 12 02:06:22 UTC 2018

Yo Richard!

On Fri, 11 May 2018 20:59:30 -0500
Richard Laager via devel <devel at ntpsec.org> wrote:

> On 05/11/2018 08:35 PM, Gary E. Miller via devel wrote:
> >> The system default is Python 2. The distro doesn't want to change
> >> this, for backwards compatibility reasons. The distro wants to move
> >> as many applications as possible to use Python 3. These both seem
> >> like reasonable positions to me.  
> > 
> > Sigh.  Not to me.  
> Are you objecting to backwards compatibility with existing scripts,
> wanting as many applications running on Python 3 as possible, or both?


> > You want to install NTPsec in a way that it is not
> > fully useable by the user with the default python?
> > Not good.  That will create a ton of support issues.  
> I care that running `ntpq` works. I do not care of `python
> /usr/bin/ntpq` works, as that is not how users run it.

Once again, missed my point.

> In this particular application, the executables moved from C to Python
> without much in the way of user-visible changes, and that's certainly
> a bigger jump than the Python major version.


> >> If applications were only allowed to use /usr/bin/python (directly
> >> or via env) and not /usr/bin/python2 or /usr/bin/python3,  
> > 
> > Uh, who suggested that?  Certainly not how it works now.  
> You're insisting that all packaged applications must use the default
> Python version and shall not be modified to use a non-default Python
> version.

Uh, no.  Missed my point.

One last time: NTPsec conforms to upstream Python policy, not Debians.

Many other distros make it work easily.  If you want to break your
packages then have at it.  Not a problem for NTPsec, we'll refer people
back to our source.

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