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Eric S. Raymond pushed to branch master
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<span>by Eric S. Raymond</span>
<i>at 2019-02-05T14:39:31Z</i>
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<pre class="commit-message" style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin: 0;">Add Martin Langer's notes, reorganize.
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<pre style="margin: 0;">+<span id="LC434" class="line" lang="diff">link:https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp#section-4.1.3[4.1.3], link:https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp#section-4.1.4[4.1.4]</span>
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