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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>After 20 years in embedded development tools sales, I have seen a few things. </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Windriver is a great place to be from. They were always a good $200M company but they got swept away by the lure of the $32B IoT (before it had a name) space.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have to say the same for IBM these days. More and more they are moving to one-click internet sales with less sales team interaction.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Redhat was an interesting group in the early days. My favorite quote from them was “Do you know how hard it is to sell free software?”</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>These days I am in Application Security. ‘Nobody’ writes secure code on purpose. They deal with it after development is done.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Dan</li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:devel@ntpsec.org">Eric S. Raymond via devel</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, November 5, 2017 12:50 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:hmurray@megapathdsl.net">Hal Murray</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:devel@ntpsec.org">devel@ntpsec.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: Embedded OS</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net>:</p><p class=MsoNormal>> </p><p class=MsoNormal>> > However, the Go developers have stated that this is one of their major aims,</p><p class=MsoNormal>> > and it is easy to believe they will be funded to do this because the</p><p class=MsoNormal>> > business case for moving a lot of Google's Android devevelopment is *quite*</p><p class=MsoNormal>> > clear. </p><p class=MsoNormal>> </p><p class=MsoNormal>> I thought Android is/was derived from Linux. Has it diverged enough to be </p><p class=MsoNormal>> called an embedded OS?</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>:-)</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>A *lot* of "embedded OS" is stripped down and repackaged Linux these</p><p class=MsoNormal>days - not just on smartphones. The economics of this are</p><p class=MsoNormal>interesting; older OSs like VRTX that ran on PICs and the like have</p><p class=MsoNormal>been in very rapid decline over the last decade not because of changes</p><p class=MsoNormal>in hardware costs - the PICS still have a significant BOM advantage at</p><p class=MsoNormal>large volumes - but because finding people who can program in those</p><p class=MsoNormal>older environments has been getting difficult.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>That is, a lot of the design wins that chips like the ARM32 have been</p><p class=MsoNormal>getting are for deployments where a PIC running a traditional,</p><p class=MsoNormal>pre-Linux embedded OS would be quite-sufficient and cheaper - only you</p><p class=MsoNormal>can't get that software development done any more without chasing down</p><p class=MsoNormal>one of a small coterie of increasingly elderly and very expensive</p><p class=MsoNormal>wizards.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Have you met Dave Taht? He was an early dev at one of the companies</p><p class=MsoNormal>that cracked this space open for Linux. He has a lot of funny and</p><p class=MsoNormal>occasionally disquieting stories about how this particular technology</p><p class=MsoNormal>transition went down.</p><p class=MsoNormal>-- </p><p class=MsoNormal> <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org</p><p class=MsoNormal>Please visit their site and donate: the civilization you save might be your own.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________</p><p class=MsoNormal>devel mailing list</p><p class=MsoNormal>devel@ntpsec.org</p><p class=MsoNormal>http://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>