Getting things moving again

Mark Atwood fallenpegasus at
Sat Nov 4 22:20:01 UTC 2017

I'm also interested in the status of the latest NTP Internet Drafts.  Are
they solid enough for implementation?

I'm inclined to say yes to the MacOS patches, but I want to hear the
discussion, and read the patches myself.


On Sat, Nov 4, 2017, 2:54 PM Eric S. Raymond via devel <devel at>

> Apologies to all for having been rather invisible recently.  What
> happened was I got an emergency call for help from a project we rely on -
> GNUPLOT. (Perhaps not everyone knows this is the graphics engine we use
> in ntpviz, which is one of our sexier new features.)
> It seems that SourceForge, where GNUPLOT is hosted, is soon to shut
> down CVS service (I don't remember the drop-dead date but I think it's
> in November).  The GNUPLOT guys decided they needed a git conversion
> *immediately*, and they did, and I was the logical person to turn to.
> Which would have been no big deal except that CVS conversions are
> horrible time- and attention-sinks. This one was only moderately
> nasty as such things go, but that was enough to eat my bandwidth
> for two weeks.  Anyway, happy ending - GNUPLOT will not die and
> ntpviz still has a back end.
> We have some loose ends from 1.0 to clean up.  I took care of a few
> of them today; unpeer needed to be upgunned so it can take a type/unit
> pair rather than a magic IP address, and there was a pending dead-code
> removal. I've also removed some obsolete to-dos.
> Here's what I see as the top of the near-term agenda:
> * Fred and Gary need to have, and resolve, their argument about what to
>   do to the build recipe around Python library installation.  For
>   concreteness, this should probably start with a proposed patch from
>   Fred.
> * There are couple of Mac-support merge requests pending from
>   Fred. Whether to take them is not a technical question but a
>   policy one, how hardnosed we're going to be abour our C99/POSIX
>   baseline.  In view of our adoption strategy, are older versions
>   if Mac OS X important enough to make an exception?  Discuss;
>   once the pros and cons have been laid out we'll want a ukase
>   from Mark.
> * I would like us to plan on a short-cycle 1.1, to land early January,
>   with SNMP support as the big new feature. Ian: is this a realistic
>   timeframe?  Is there any support you're not getting that you'll need
>   to get this done.
> Senior devs: please chime in with any goals you think we ought to
> pursue for 1.1.
> I've got a really big one that's not going to get done in one release
> cycle, but which I consider worth some thought beginning now.
> --
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