<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 5, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Gary E. Miller <<a href="mailto:gem@rellim.com" class="">gem@rellim.com</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">I don’t know enough to answer regarding “coarse time”.  Here’s my<br class="">output (FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE):<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">yeah, that's a problem with refclock #20, important data is hidden.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>What was missing from my ntpq -p output?  I’ve included it again below:</div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset  jitter</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">==============================================================================</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">oGPS_NMEA(0)     .GPS.            0 l    6   16  377    0.000   -0.002   0.003</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">*<a href="http://tock.usshc.com" class="">tock.usshc.com</a>  .GPS.            1 u   26   64  377   32.138    4.606   0.901</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">+<a href="http://clock.isc.org" class="">clock.isc.org</a>   .GPS.            1 u   21   64  377   70.356   -0.027   0.995</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">-<a href="http://tick.apple.com" class="">tick.apple.com</a>  .GPS.            1 u   47   64  227  147.752   40.539 163.016</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">-ntp.wdc1.us.lea 199.102.46.72    2 u   47   64  377   49.799   20.090   3.552</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">-leeloo.scurvyne 173.162.192.156  2 u   47   64  377  142.869   16.063  34.157</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">-2001:19f0:8000: 132.163.4.101    2 u    2   64  377   65.329   -7.336   0.499</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">+67.212.117.78   128.138.141.172  2 u   46   64  377   38.889   -4.778   0.341</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">When you hide important data from the user, as #20 does, you have over<br class="">simplified.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Please help me understand what’s missing.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">time1 adjusts the PPS derived time, time2 adjusts the NMEA derived<br class="">time.  <br class=""></blockquote><br class="">So for type 20 (NMEA local) & PPS, time2 would be the correct place<br class="">to put the fudge factor (assuming time1 (PPS) is dead nuts).<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Yes, except you'll need to disconnect the PPS to see it…</div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">I don’t follow you here…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Frank</div></body></html>